Post by NorwegianOiler on October 24th, 2009
It is as inevitable as gravity, tidal cycles and Leaf-suckage - fans and experts alike compare head coaches Pat Quinn and Craig MacTavish. The roster MacTavish commanded in his last Oilers campaign has all but entirely spilled over into Quinn’s reign, and we are tempted to draw some early conclusions. As anyone can easily observe the results have immediately improved. Though the statistical sample is limited our record stands at 6-2-1 for a strong .722 point percentage after 9 games. That, of course, has a particularly satisfying taste to the neglected palates of Oilers society, having been starved with the mediocre pastries of .500 hockey for years. But alas, this is only statistics and as Evan Esar said “It is the only science that enables different experts using the same figures to draw different conclusions.” Still, the conclusions here seem to flow in the same vein – Pat Quinn is a better coach than Craig MacTavish. The questions are; Is Quinn really better? If so, why is he better? What has changed? How has it changed?
In an act of horrendous (but effective) pedagogy I have through the years been repeatedly bludgeoned with the concept that correlation does not in itself imply causation and I, wisely and in fear of retribution, find reason to apply it in this situation. In any case that knowledge should incite a willingness to take a closer look. Our collective problem is, and mine particularly accentuated by the geographical distance to the situation, that we are not privvy to much information on which to base our impressions. We have no extended eye into the practices, we can not smell the atmosphere in the airplane after a road game, nor can we hear the words spoken in the locker room. The absence of information often leads to the creation of information, as we can experience here. The less we know the more we imagine. We can only speculate if MacTavish was actually abusing his coaching powers, consciously holding players back or in other ways directly hampered the team’s progress on his own. Equally we can not conclusively say that Pat Quinn is holding this positive rally or whispering that encouraging word. What we can do is observe the results and they do speak to some change. The electricity of the team and the fans runs through our Copper (and Blue) with some momentum right now, but who are the true conductors?
This is where a section of the fanbase splits, one group believing that it is the coach’s job to motivate, another advocating that the players must themselves be the primary motivators. Not surprisingly perhaps, I see it as a more dynamic relationship. I do not, whatsoever, believe in the sports-movie cliché of the intermission pep-rally that somehow turns the tide on its own. Lou Holtz provides a thoroughly descriptive quote on the relationship between ability and mentality: “Ability is what you’re capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it.” An outside observer can be reduced to tears when he realizes that someone’s great ability (and hence, potential) goes unrealized, but who is to blame for that? In our desire to ascribe blame we tend to choose either player(s) or coach – but is that really right? Remember, the mythological mosaic ’scapegoat’ was unfairly selected to carry the people’s sins and was sent away to perish.
So, if the players’ provide the ‘ability’ part of the equation, who is responsible for motivation? Illustrious businessman Donald Trump has said that “Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game.” If we assume that it is somewhat applicable to hockey players as well, which it might be in many cases, salary is not a very big influence in terms of motivation. To me it is indeed hard to conclude (or even imagine) that players hit the ice thinking about dollars. Then what motivates?
If we continue to explore the three-pronged explanation of Lou Holtz (ability, motivation, attitude) we must take into account who is responsible for attitude - which has arguably been the single most visual change from MacTavish’s Oilers to Quinn’s Oilers. Dustin Penner recently illuminated what is often a dim area to observe for fans – claiming that he is now allowed to ‘play his game’ to a greater extent, without having to worry about making the odd mistake. His attitude has changed from being on the defensive to being more assertive and assuming control on the ice. And what a change that has been! Obviously it can be easy then to assume that the correlation between Penner’s struggles under MacTavish and Penner’s success under Quinn implies that there is also an underlying cause within those frames. In this case I believe so, but it is certainly a dual relationship. Dustin Penner came into camp fitter, stronger and more aggressive and Quinn was able to nurture it. This is what can be so fascinating with coaching (or any kind of teaching) – how easily one can get locked in a state of mind and how hard it can be to change it once the mould has been set. MacTavish might have gotten off to a bad start with Penner, thus inducing a situation where Penner felt (justly or not) that he could not ‘win’ (or be seen in a ‘new’ light). Time will tell if Quinn’s man management is good enough to avoid getting caught in the same one-way street with other players. It is still hard to say what actually triggers the attitude necessary for success and who gets the snowball of good spirits rolling – player or coach? In that winter-anology, it may be possible to say that the players’s confidence is the snow (and the amount of it) and the influences the temperature. Too warm and it all melts away. Too cold and it’s useless powder. The snowball only gathers momentum at the right temperature - has Quinn has been a mercury-controlling master so far?
“Selecting the right person for the right job is the largest part of coaching” claimed Phillip Crosby elementarily. Though its essence is entirely true I dispute that it is in fact the largest part to select the right person for the right job. I argue that the most requisite task is to define the right roles from what material you have. That is one area in which Pat Quinn has excelled so far. Nevertheless, Quinn has had the aid of a complete package that MacTavish was not in possession of in the last years of his tenure. Where MacTavish had a hard time creating a ‘new’ atmosphere in which to initiate lasting positive change, a coaching change in itself tends to create that situation by its own right. As marleysouth cleverly pointed out in another thread, MacTavish called for Penner to become fitter in order to fulfill his potential as a first line forward, he called for Hemsky do be more diligent in his own zone and so forth. MacTavish obviously had the ideas but not the means. As a bartender can’t make a fizzy drink with flat beverage and a carpenter can’t build a sturdy structure with rotten wood, MacTavish couldn’t realize his ideas when his message was either not delivered or received well enough. Or was MacTavish simply an unimaginative bartender, a clueless carpenter or a unqualified coach?
From interviews I conclude that the players’ attitudes are significantly more open, offensive and enthusiastic, not just from listening to their words (which are more often than not taken from the big book of hockey clichés) but from observing their demeanor. Has Quinn and Renney bred this change or has it been conceived by the players themselves? Some have argued that MacTavish favoured certain players or player types and that this led to dissent in the locker room – but much like MacTavish sometimes gave players like Reddox, Petersen or Thoresen quality minutes so has Quinn done with the likes of Jacques, Stone or Stortini. If Quinn continues down the same lane, will the mutineers re-emerge? Evidently, Quinn has delivered a clear message and preaches a concise message – is that the key? Was MacTavish too eloquent, too much of a professor, too overcomplicating? Did the players simply not understand the message that MacTavish wanted to convey? That’s when the circle is completed and we must again ask, who is responsible for a coaching system’s success? The coach or the players?
(Again, apologies for the long-windedness. I have highlighted some questions in italics so they’re easier to recognise if anyone wants to get to the bone without tearing the flesh)


Very great points, N.O., as always.
Personally, I was very much 100% on board with MacTavish being canned before last season even started. Do I think he’s a bad coach? Not really. It is likely speculation on my part, but I thought perhaps his messages weren’t getting through to the players. He then started to go against his own coaching philosophy and start to call players out (something he had no history of doing, as far as I know, until last year), and that’s when I felt the writing was on the wall.
I give him credit for trying all sorts of things with this team. But I think morale was at an all time low and a coaching change was necessary. Now if roles were reversed, would we think that MacTavish could come in with his coaching strategy and win the players over? Perhaps. But one thing I *seem* to see, as an outsider, is that Quinn and Renney have a recognizable game plan. It’s the same game plan day-to-day and it’s very, very simple. Each forward line generally now has a make up of 4 basic skills – a player who can grind/check, a player who can play defense well, a player who likes to shoot, and a player who is a skilled playmaker (now obviously since there are 4 traits mentioned, some of the players embody more than one of these traits). It’s like the old EA NHL chemistry where you’d try and slap together a line of a playmaker, sniper and grinder. Now obviously having a sniper and a playmaker together doesn’t ensure instant goal scoring, but it seems that Quinn/Renney’s game plan works to the strengths of the team. While Reddox last year would have won MacTavish over and earned top line minutes for his hard work, Quinn is saying “this team is too small, why are we putting another small guy on the line to win battles?”. JFJ/Stone/Moreau/etc win those corner battles, Gagner/Hemsky/Nilsson/etc. are the puck-handling guys that find the open shooters in Penner/O’Sullivan/Cogliano/etc. That’s what I like, it’s a simple philosophy that is easy for a whole team to buy into. Again, just speculation, but I often wondered if MacTavish was TOO smart of a coach and laying out overly complicated systems that were too hard for everyone to follow. That I don’t know about though. Didn’t Michael Peca mention something about that just after he left here?
The other thing I heard earlier in the year is Quinn repeats the same messages daily. It may seem silly that NHL players need that kind of guidance, but hey, they’re professional hockey players, you’re a professional at your job… would you like your boss to be sending different (perhaps conflicting) messages every day, or would you like him to be re-enforcing the same message daily. An example of this was from Jacques, if I’m not mistaken, mentioning something as simple as Quinn telling him to hit, hit and hit. It sounds silly, but lo-and-behold, this guy has 36 hits so far, which is good for fourth in the league in the albeit subjective stat (but having seen JFJ play, I’m pretty sure his stat is quite accurate!). So, Quinn, by my view, is re-enforcing messages into players heads that they can understand. Simple orders that leaves a lot of openness to their game, but ensures that they’re still playing to their basic strengths.
Lastly, I will conclude by conceding again that I don’t think MacTavish was a bad coach. He just overstayed his welcome here. The media was really harping on the coaching issues, as were the fans, and I think after a while, players start to buy into that and it really gets to them. I think even MacTavish would admit that the change was necessary.
Thanks for the reply!
I think MacTavish crossed the Rubicon when he started calling out players too – from the outside it seems like that kind of thing will just tear away his credibility (as it was not in his usual manner to do so) The team started to give up and for what the end-of-the-season comments were worth it seemed like the entire team knew as early as January/February that a coaching change was going to happen sooner or later – and the team basically crumbled. It was like the last 5 minutes of a 10k run when you know you’re going to be last anyway.
Yah that’s a good analogy – the 10k run. MacTavish was doomed before the season ended, and I think everyone knew it. Most GMs would have tried to salvage the season though, cut the coach and either hired an interim guy or taken over themselves.. so I was a little surprised (in a way) to see MacTavish behind the bench for the whole season.
Hey N.O., here’s a related article regarding a former hockey player (Jim Thomson) who claims that Ron Wilson is ruining the Leafs because he’s a bad coach and can’t motivate players when there is heat on them from the media and such: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=295874
I thought it was interesting because there are perhaps some parallels to MacTavish in his final year – questions of ability to motivate, calling out of players like Wilson, etc.
I read the article and am inclined to conclude that MacTavish pulled a Ron Wilson last season – but as we said, it was for MacT an ‘out of character’ move.
I have paid special attention to the Leafs so far (because it’s fun…) and note that Wilson is way too harsh with his players. It seems like he’s the hardball guy that thinks tough love is the cure for anything (the kind of coach a lot of Oilers fans perhaps wanted to whip the lazy players of yesteryear into shape) and is failing. Calling out players when they’re so obviously struggling as a TEAM is just plain useless. I predicted Toskala would lose his starting job early on (and I think Gustavsson will get the majority of the games when he’s healthy again) but Toskala’s been near ridiculed by Wilson after some games. Great for confidence? I think not.
Schenn is another example, as the article states, a youngster who is called out after less than 10 games? A favourite quote of mine comes to mind: “When all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails”
I have believed for a long time that MacT tried to control too much. He tried to coach every mistake out of the game, he tried to re-invent his teams style of play for every opponent, and tried to re-invent players.
Putting all of it together led to a coach trying to micromanage too much at a cost to micromanagement. The players were too fearful of making mistakes to play aggressively, so we end up with a team that dumps every puck off the boards and out, which is a waste of the talent of the D-men on the Oilers.
Also, you get the bulk of players (who are not cognitively flexible) not really understanding what they need to be doing because the instructions are too complex.
I actually don’t think motivation was the problem, coaching was.
First, I just wanted to comment that this is an excellent article, Norwegian Oiler!
There’s no question that MacT had an uncanny ability to polarize Oilers fans. Though this is a difficult and contentious issue to weigh in on, my ‘gut feeling’ is that there were a few salient factors that impacted the Oilers. For one, I would tend to agree that there’s certainly the element of MacT over staying his welcome as Racki suggests. Secondly, I certainly do not think that MacT was a bad coach. However, as you suggest, Norwegian Oiler, MacT’s motivational tactics from the Ron Wilson book of coaching psychology, were probably suboptimal at best. Positive reinforcement itself has long been known to be more effective at changing behavior than negative reinforcement. Lastly, Quinn’s simple and off-the-cuff manner of speaking might be more effective in communicating with the players (As you suggest, NO).
Bookie: I can definitely agree with a lot of that. I especially agree with the micromanagement part (something I go through at work at times, and it is counterproductive.
N.O.: Yah, it sounds like Wilson is towards the extreme – Keenan-esque – when it comes to calling players out this year. That stuff might have worked in a different era, or even with different players, but it’s pretty futile now, especially with the younger players.
I tend to take the same sort of stance as what Bookie explained. I don’t consider MacTavish a bad coach, at all, per se. But I do pin some of the woes of this team in the past partly on his coaching style, and partly on his stay here just being too long (amongst other things). The latter statement often happens to other good coaches too (ex. Lemaire), so no slag against him for that.
When everything is going wrong, it’s time for some fresh ideas. I’m partly disappointed that Tambellini didn’t pull the trigger a lot earlier, but I’m pretty happy with the new staff that we have here that wouldn’t necessarily have been available last year (especially so with Renney).
It went beyond coaching last year, it was personal. There was a gneral lack of respect towards the coach from the team, but they kept close enough to the playoff cut line to keep MacT a coach until the end of the season.
I’m beginning to gravitate towards the same ideas, all of which were well put.
Norwegian OIler: You’ve analysed the situation perfectly. Quinn has done in a matter of weeks what MacT failed to do in 8 years – inspire the team to play hockey.
Obviously you haven’t stated exactly what I have concluded, but nevertheless we’re on the same page, or my imagination believes it.
Yeah, it does boil down to something simple if one will – Quinn’s team is winning (right now…) more than under MacTavish. Then again, we’re always ready to declare success (or failure) in the spur of the moment. A loss tonight against the Canucks and we’re suddenly back to second-guessing ourselves – at least the fans will be…
Yes, that seems to be the running routine here, N.O.. When things look good, we’ve got a reason for why it’s good, when things go bad, suddenly that same reason could be out the window now.
I personally do think that Quinn’s Oilers have shown good resiliency. I don’t really fault them too much for yesterday’s poor outing. The team really is in shambles right now, and as you pointed out, Quinn isn’t sticking to his formula of balance on all 4 lines because he CAN’T do that with what we have in the line-up right now.
The loss can partially be blamed on this team being a weakened unit and not having that balance of firepower over 4 lines, and partially blamed on some poor defensive decisions by our blue line last night. Right now, the loss of Staios and Souray is being heavily felt. Gilbert and Grebeshkov are being relied greatly upon to carry the load and last night, quite simply, they did not. The Journal speculates that they are being split up for the Vancouver game.
Visnovsky and Smid have been fairly good together and are sticking together, but I will say that I really did like the pairing of Visnovsky and Grebeshkov for a while too.
At any rate, the next week or so won’t be as pretty as it can be around here because of the flu that is going around kicking everybody’s ass. It’s almost one of those things like where a parent intentionally infects their child with the measles so that they don’t end up getting them as an adult. You almost want everyone to just get this flu over with right now and play with half of our farm team up here for a couple of games so we’re not watching half of our team play and half of our team sit out over a span of a couple of weeks from this thing.
Fantastic read, comments included.
NorwegianOiler’s writings are always so impressive and articulate, I almost find them embarrassing, as they always seem to magnify for me how horrible North American English has become. All too often our writings are filled with too much slang, laziness and just overall bad writing habits, and I certainly include myself in this.
I just applaud NorwegianOiler for his efforts, and think it’s pretty amazing that someone who uses English as a second language has such a firm grasp and talent for writing it.
Kudos NorwegianOiler.